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Miller
On the Matzive it says that he was a deciple of the Kedishas Yom Tov of Sighet (Rabbi Lipa Tietelbaum) and of the Minchas Eluzer on Munkatch (R Chaim Eluzer Shpiro).
Where does it say that he was called Scrantoner Rebbe? It does not even mention to ward Admor

Baruch
Based on conversations with old-time Scrantoners.

Scrantoner
I am an ?old time Scrantoner?
I was heard from Rabbi Mordechai Dov Fine of Machzikei Hadas that the Rabbi Schwartz had a mikvah in his house.

Cheskel
Miller where does it say that he was a disciple of the Minchas Eluzer.

Miller
R’ Cheskel,
see where it says that the Minchas Eluzer will await him, perhaps becasue he was his Talmud

DF
Miller:
Who was his father?

Miller
whose father?
I have no information on this Rebbe

DF
Sorry, my Hebrew is not the greatest, I think it says his father was known as R? Mordecai Ferter. What does Ferter mean?

LYS
His father was Mordechai Zvi Schwartz of Sirte, hence “Sirter.” R’ Menachem was known to be the only person living in America whom the Minchas Elazar would accept money from. The M.E. would only take money from people known to be Shomer Shabbos. Mordechai Sirter’s father was Aharon Pataker and his father was Mordechain Zvi Schwartz of Tertzal, married to Zisel who became the wife of Yitzchak Eiizik Taub, the first Kaliver Rebbe, his second marriage.

LYS
Miller: The town of Sirte is very close to Ungvar. It seems that you have decided not to post my previous comment. Perhaps you think I made it all up. In the reprint of “Devarim Areivim” by Dov Ber Ehrman, you will find a portion of the family tree. Regarding his descent from the second Kaliver Rebbitzen, you can find that in the “Toldos Kol Aryeh.” Aharon Pataker, R’ Menachem’s Zeida, was the Kol Aryeh’s uncle.

Miller
Dear LYS,
Thanks for the noteworthy information.

[I am not posting here anything, and I don't understand your previuos comment]

LYS
Whoops! I apologize. I am new to this site and I mistakenly thought that you were the moderator.

GrandRebbe
LYS:
Was he an Admor?

LYS
He was a Frum, learned, Chassidishe businessman. I knew two of his sons who lived inChicago and I am in contact with a nephew living Silver Spring, MD. No one ever told me that he was an Admor and I do not think that he ever held a position in Europe. He was the leader of the Scranton comunity and, yes, he did have his own Mikva in his house.

Miller
LYS
There was a Rabbi Mordchai Zvi Schwartz first in Londan and later in Cleveland OH, who was also a Sigheter Talmid, was he related to this Rabbi Menachem Schwartz?

LYS
Cousins. Clevelander Rav was my Zeide.

Miller
Here we go,
Where is your Ziede buried?

LYS
Mount Olive Cemetery, Cleveland OH adjacent to Rav Bloch, Telzer Rosh Yeshiva

Miller
Thanks LYS,
I found the “Devarim Arievim” online, very interesting stories.
I hope one day you will provide Baruch a picture of your Zeide’s Kever in Ohio.

Ann Schwartz Graff
I am one of Menachem Schwartz’s grandchildren. I lived in Scranton my first 5 years and visited there until after my grandfather’s death. I was there the Pesach he became ill and died. Indeed there was a mikvah in the house. I did not know he was a Rebbe. There are 2 other living grandchildren.

Miller
Ann,
What was the names of his sons and do you have any stories or photos to share of your GFather?

LYS
His sons: Aharon Schwartz, Phillip (Pinchas?) Schwartz, Oscar Schwartz, Louis (Yekusial Yehuda) Schwartz, Arthur Schwartz

Ehrmandesc
LYS -
can you clarify the scenario of whom Zissel was married to?
Was she first married to R’ Mordechai Tzvi of Terzel and then married to the first Kaliver Rebbe?
Did she remarry after R’ Mordechai was niftar?
Was the Kaliver Rebbe ’s wife already niftar too?

Farshlufen
Ehrmandesc, yes to all your 3 questions.

Blackleibel
Ehrmandesc:
Rebbetzin Zissel was well acquainted with the Kaliver Rebbe and when the first Kaliver Rebbitzen passed away, Rebbetzin Zissel “red” a Shidduch between the Kaliver Rebbe and the widow of the Terzeler Rebbe. The Kaliver is reputed to have said something like, “I like the Shadchenista better than the Shidduch.” (Transl.)

Info
I think one of his grandchildren is a Magid Shiur at Rav Parler’s Yeshiva in BP.
There was a story of someone who needed help and was sent to R’ Menachem by the Atzei Chaiyim the son Of the Kedushas Yom Tov. The Atzei Chaim was niftar in between. When R’ Menachem neglected the rebbe’s request, he saw the Atzei Chaim in his dream who asked him why he’s waiting. taken aback by this vision he assisted that person at once.

Info
Lys or Ann Schwartz Graff,
I see you are familiar with the family. I searched alot and couldn’t find the name of R’ Menachem’s mother. Can one of you verify?

blackleibel
His mother’s name was Malka. Her maiden name was Friedman.

Info
Thanks. Would you know the source for this. Also, going further, do you know more info on which friedman?